What is to be proven?

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fonssmeur
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What is to be proven?

Post by fonssmeur » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:14 pm

Dear Mogens,

Would you give the correct interpretation of the following text, which I tried also to translate.

Kind regards,

Fons

'Carsten Hornemannd v. Lypche kom frann
Kurlannd med 1900 curtz woung. 50 clapholt
thilh¢rde enn wed naffn Johann Gosenn. haffde
Valentinn v. Suerins Rytter profosenns Daatter
huilckenn berobte seg Att werre Borger wttj
Ki¢bnehaffnn. Och epth. dj ingenn beuis woer th.
paa, bleff for-ne Valentinn Suerinn, Borgenn
Att schulle forsckaffe hanns borger breff, ell. och
bethalle, Saa epth. Att Anderledes er befundenn
haffuer hannd bethaldt'

Translation:
"Carsten Hornemannd from Lypche left from
Courland loaded with 1900 wainscot log from Koersk and 50 clapboard
owned by a person named Johann Gosenn. Has
Valentinn v. Suerins .......... daughter
who told to be a citizen from
Copenhavn. But there was no proof for
so stayed former Valentinn Suerinn, citizen
and was obliged to show his letter to proof being a citizen (of Copenhavn FS) or to
pay. So afterall was concluded
he has payed."
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Re: What is to be proven?

Post by Mjensen » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:35 am

Dear Fons

I think you need a few corrections to your translation:

Carsten Hornemand v. Lypche came from
Kurlannd with 1900 curtz woung. 50 clapholt
belonging to one named Johann Gossenn, had
Valentinn v. Suerins, the cavalry profoss' daugther
who claimed to be citizen in
Kiøbnehaffnn, and as there was no proff for
that, the mentioned Valentinn Suerinn had to guarantee
that he would get his letter of citizenship or else
pay. Then as it was found to be in another way
he has paid.

I don't know where the daugther of the cavalry profoss (an officer who took care of the discipline) fits into the picture, as the question seems to be whether the profoss is a citizen in Copenhagen. - Maybe the meaning is that Johann Gossen is married to her??
As a citizen of Copenhagen Valentinn Suerinn might be free of toll, but as he could not prove that, he had to pay.

Groet
Mogens

fonssmeur
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Re: What is to be proven?

Post by fonssmeur » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:16 pm

Dear Mogens,

Thank you for your corrections and comment.
We also had the idea that the clue should be found in the way Valentinn tried to proof being a citizen of Copenhagen,
but finally he payed, eventually giving up his attempt.
The underlying reason you made more clear.

Kind regards,

Fons

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